Posts by raymond frantz

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666 and the Governing Body CONNECTION!!!

by raymond frantz in

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why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?.

the number of the man -666.

raymond frantz

I don't believe in this theory of templelijah but it strikes my as odd how many times they used the number in structuring their organisation

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666 and the Governing Body CONNECTION!!!

by raymond frantz in

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why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?.

the number of the man -666.

THis is no mine .I found it here The Bible report when I was researching the Romanian Association of Jehovah's Witnesses (the largest organised Jehovah's Witness sect in Romania) that belive that the Governing Body is the Antichrist.This is the study of a Romanian brother who spend decades in prison under the communist regime and some of his work is translated in the above website

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666 and the Governing Body CONNECTION!!!

by raymond frantz in

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why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?.

the number of the man -666.

raymond frantz

This is a page off the Proclaimers book and relates to the original structure of the Governing Body .They formed SIX administrative committees in New York and they repeated this process in every country where every Bethel formed SIX similar committees .All congragations then got SIX posts for 6 elders

Kingdom Hall Committee1.Presiding Overseer 2.Secretary3.Accountant/Treasurer 4.Service Overseer 5.Ministry School Overseer 6.Literature Department Overseer

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666 and the Governing Body CONNECTION!!!

by raymond frantz in

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why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?.

the number of the man -666.

raymond frantz

666

Has anyone seen this ?

Why would an organisation that knows so much about numbers and their use in the Bible choose to develop their structure around the number 6?

The number of the man -666

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Why Did Romania's Jehovah's Witnesses Disfellowship The Governing Body For Apostasy?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

there is a large group of jehovah's witnesses that broke away from the watchtower society in the 1990s.

can someone explain to all the interested jwn lurkers and faders, why these romanian and other eastern european witnesses disfellowshiped the governing body in new york?.

i received a email from a member claiming to be part of this group, i was told they "disfellowshiped the governing body" for disobedience to jehovah god and not following the fine examples of brother russell, rutherford and knorr.

raymond frantz

And this is a post from a Romanian ? who shed some inside light in this group a couple of years ago :

There are a several groups and individuals throughout Eastern Europe referring to themselves as "Jehovah's Witnesses" with differing opinions and theological stands. A lot of misinformation has been written about them, one being that they "only" use Rutherford's writings. That is untrue. Many use Russell's and Rutherford's writings, but most (but not all) will not use anything from Knorr or those after him.

One main reason for these groups is because of changes in Watchtower Corporation's doctrines. These countries were under communist or other governmental control and were out of touch with the Brooklyn Watchtower corporation. When they finally became free, they saw the many doctrinal changes Brooklyn made and were shocked.

You can get more information on a few other similar groups on our website at http://tfjw.org (True Friends of Jehovah's Way - True Faith Jehovah's Worshipers) under the "About" link. There is also a Romanian site for the "Christian Group of the Holy Way" at http://www.grupcaleasfanta.ro/ We are currently translating Sas Gavril's writings from that site to English and Slovak.

It should be understood there are many different groups such as these, with differing thoughts or certain levels of "strictness" or "liberty." Many are also similar to the old Bible Students of Russell's era, while others are more like Rutherford's group before 1942.

It should also be mentioned that not all who call themselves "True Faith" mean that they alone have the truth. A distinction has to be made, especially in certain areas of Eastern Europe as to which "JW" group is being referred to. Those who call themselves "True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses" or "True Faith Jehovah's Worshipers" consider the current Watchtower Corporation to be the "man of sin" espousing false doctrines.

Instead of "reformed", it is more of a "reorganized" set of groups, from the old days, before so many major doctrinal changes were made or discarded for others.

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Why Did Romania's Jehovah's Witnesses Disfellowship The Governing Body For Apostasy?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

there is a large group of jehovah's witnesses that broke away from the watchtower society in the 1990s.

can someone explain to all the interested jwn lurkers and faders, why these romanian and other eastern european witnesses disfellowshiped the governing body in new york?.

i received a email from a member claiming to be part of this group, i was told they "disfellowshiped the governing body" for disobedience to jehovah god and not following the fine examples of brother russell, rutherford and knorr.

raymond frantz

This is their 2006 convention in Romania

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Why Did Romania's Jehovah's Witnesses Disfellowship The Governing Body For Apostasy?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

there is a large group of jehovah's witnesses that broke away from the watchtower society in the 1990s.

can someone explain to all the interested jwn lurkers and faders, why these romanian and other eastern european witnesses disfellowshiped the governing body in new york?.

i received a email from a member claiming to be part of this group, i was told they "disfellowshiped the governing body" for disobedience to jehovah god and not following the fine examples of brother russell, rutherford and knorr.

raymond frantz

This is such an interesting story ! The Watchtower in the 2006 yearbook dedicated 100 pages to ROMANIA and they say nothing about this .Oh hold on ! They used again the same tactics of misinformation and slander and character assasination with the following comments :

Extract from Year book follows

"Satan Sows Seeds of MistrustThe Devil attacks God's servants not only from the outside but also from the inside. For instance, some brothers who were released in 1955 and who had held positions of oversight prior to their arrest were not restored to their former office. In response, they grew resentful and sowed seeds of discord. How sad that after standing firm in prison, they caved in to pride when set free! At least one prominent brother, in order to avoid punishment, even went so far as to cooperate with the Securitate, causing much harm to the faithful and to the preaching work.-Matt. 24:10."

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Why Did Romania's Jehovah's Witnesses Disfellowship The Governing Body For Apostasy?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

there is a large group of jehovah's witnesses that broke away from the watchtower society in the 1990s.

can someone explain to all the interested jwn lurkers and faders, why these romanian and other eastern european witnesses disfellowshiped the governing body in new york?.

i received a email from a member claiming to be part of this group, i was told they "disfellowshiped the governing body" for disobedience to jehovah god and not following the fine examples of brother russell, rutherford and knorr.

raymond frantz

The following is an extract of their website which is a REALLY an extract of a 1930's Watchtower and they use it as a direct attack against the GOVERNING BODY !!!

Evil Servant
"He sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God." ( II Thessalonians chapter 2 )

The "man of sin" by his course of action "opposed and exalted himself on high against every one called God". (Rotherham) This he does by putting himself above what God's commandments require. He puts himself above Jesus Christ and exempts himself from being God's witness. Jesus was and is the Faithful and True Witness of Jehovah, and he has committed a portion of the testimony to his faithful followers and commands them to go forth and give a witness. The opposers set themselves up above Jesus Christ, refuse to obey the commandments and to bear the reproaches that came upon Jesus. They refuse to be "subject unto the higher powers", to wit, Jehovah and Jesus and the inspired apostles who set forth the commandments to God's people; and claim that "the higher powers" has reference to the governments of Satan's world. They are thus deceived and deceive themselves. - Matt. 10:24; Rom. 13:1.(The Watchtower, September 15 and October 1, 1930)

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Why Did Romania's Jehovah's Witnesses Disfellowship The Governing Body For Apostasy?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

there is a large group of jehovah's witnesses that broke away from the watchtower society in the 1990s.

can someone explain to all the interested jwn lurkers and faders, why these romanian and other eastern european witnesses disfellowshiped the governing body in new york?.

i received a email from a member claiming to be part of this group, i was told they "disfellowshiped the governing body" for disobedience to jehovah god and not following the fine examples of brother russell, rutherford and knorr.

raymond frantz

After the Romanian ban was lifted, members and representatives of the Governing Body were able to meet thousands of long-separated Romanian Witnesses, but some Romanians still rejected certain changes and preferred their autonomy, forming The True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses Association in 1992. This group still exists today and this is their website http://the-true-jw.oltenia.ro/ From their home page it looks like they are a big group and well organised to have a mini convention?

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The Tower of Babel based on plans of an ANTEDILUVIAN building?

by raymond frantz in

hi guys ,i hope you can help here .i'm currently researching the tower of babel and the reasons for building it in the first place?

could it be that nimrod had information or plans based on a pre-flood building ?

bab+el=gate+god could it be an attempt to rebuild a pre-flood structure that served as the gates to the god's (whether materialised satan+demons) or base of angels on earth ?

raymond frantz

donuthole ,can you point me any relevant books or websites?